Update on Douglas Steven Cloud shooting
The Community Police Review Commission will be briefed by representatives from the Riverside Police Department on the Douglas Steve Cloud officer-involved shooting next Wednesday, Oct. 25 at 5:30 p.m. inside the city council chambers at City Hall. On Oct. 8, Cloud was shot four times by Officer #A and one time by Officer #B after he had crashed his car into a pickup truck and a palm tree outside a used car dealership. Earlier, he had tried to steal a carpet cleaner from Home Depot, but was stopped by several shoppers.
After it erred in information it had provided on the Summer Marie Lane shooting at a briefing in December 2004, the department has decided not to take questions from either commissioners or members of the public. The CPRC dispatched its own investigator Butch Warnberg from the Baker Street Group, two days after the shooting.
The fierce debate on the Cloud shooting continues at the Press Enterprise Web site here with people arguing one position or the other. The poll results currently state the following results:
Excessive force: 1923
Not excessive force: 346
Not sure: 23
This being Riverside, city residents had plenty to say on the matter whether they were civilians or not. It's clear that individuals have probably been voting more than once, in the first two categories, as one individual pointed out in his or her comments.
(Excerpts)
Yes, it was excessive force:
Given the history of the RPD, as residents we all feel that excessive force is being used in many of the RPD Officers. They always have an excuse as to why they shot somebody, Tyesha Miller and now this guy, who allegedly stole equipment, the RPD is trigger happy and need to reformed.
The people who are saying that "Douglas deserved what he got" are ignorant fools. Since when is being shot repeately at close range the proper punishment for trying to steal? Douglas made some really bad choices and did break the law by TRYING to steal, however being shot like a mad dog is totally unacceptable. I have heard that some of the RPD Officers present were saying that the one who pulled the trigger was "an idiot" for doing it and that it should not and did not have to happen. I hope that they will not try to cover up for him. The Officer should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for taking the life of someone who had NO weapon and most likely was so injured from the crash that he couldn't "get out" of the car or comprehend what was really going on. Why didn't the cop use mace, a tazer, a shot in the arm or some other method instead of murder? I hope he is haunted by this for the rest of his life.
From what I understand of the shooting and from past shootings and use of force incidents involving the Riverside Police Department. It is my opinion that the police officer who did discharge his weapon acted prematurely and without provocation. I find it very odd that of the other officers involved no one else fired their service weapons.
No, it wasn't excessive force:
I am just a little sick and tired of the press and the public's attitude that police officers are society's whipping posts. Why aren't you asking the question "Do you think the thief who endangered police officers lives and the lives of the public should have cart blanche to drive through the streets and crash and then expect us to persecute the police??" I'm just glad he crashed before he killed someone and I for one am sorry for the officer who was forced to shoot this man to protect his own life and the life of his fellow officers. The crook should probably should have #1) not committed a crime, #2) not fled the scene #3) crashed and finally #4) not followed directions when the officers told him to keep his hands in sight. He probably would still be alive.
TO THE ONE WHO SAID HE WOULDNT HURT ANYONE WHY WAS HE ARRESTED FOR ASSAULT ON HIS SPOUSE. QUIT PLAYING THIS GUY A S A POOR INNOCENT VICTIM. YES MAY BE HE SHOULDNT OF BEEN SHOT BUT WHAT WOULD YOU GUYS BE SAYING IF THE POLICE NEVER WERE CALLED AND HE HIT SOMEONE IN THE PARKING LOT HE SO ERRATICALLY DROVE OUT OF PUTTING INNOCENT PEOPLE IN DANGER FOR WHAT TOOLS HE COULDNT PAY FOR NOW HE IS PAYING WITH HIS LIFE.
Wow...some of these responses are really proving the general public of Riverside to be extremely ignorant. Such as the guy that said: "I didn't see most of it, but I knew that RPD did something wrong" ppshhh okay---hold on. You didn't see most of it, but you knew that RPD did something wrong? Slap yourself. Or the rest of these people: "Douglas Cloud only wanted to make sure that everyone was okay when he crashed" How the hell do you know? Did you go up to his car and ask him what he was feeling? No. He almost killed people with his car on the way out if the parking lot---yeah, REAL concerned about the safety of others. And yeah, maybe RPD could have gone about the situation a different way however the vehicle itself is a weapon. I do recall Douglas trying to keep pushing down his gas even after he crashed. Who is to say that he was not attempting to leave again, this time potentially harming an officer or innocent bystanders? This trick stole from the home depot, fought off employees and customers and attempted to get away. Not even two months ago he was charged with spousal abuse. This was not as if some guy had crashed his car out of nowhere...he was evading police and although his family is in my prayers I will not stand for the destruction of Riverside by supporting criminal activity and behavior. But the rest of you people who are sitting here defending him, I guess it's okay to rob others, to steal things upon which the hard working man would pay for, to abuse your spouse, to almost hit innocent bystanders with vehicles, etc.,. So since you all have such strong feelings for these types of characters, just make sure you're still taking the side of the criminal if you ever find yourself caught in the middle of a robbery or the next time you're at home depot, if someone is flying through the parking lot evading police, just smile and wave, because remember, you support it. Thanks.
Then there are those who chide those who have expressed opinions either way, calling them "idiots" before jumping on a bandwagon themselves.
Anypne who weighs in on this with a yes or no is an idiot. None of you were there! Not one of you witnesed what the officers did! I'm sick and tried of kneee jerk responses, "They should get a few shots to their toros". This just shows the idiocy of the public. The problem we have is lack of public support for the Police and parents not teaching their children to respect people in postions of authority. This is the police, teachers, and parents. They spout that they do not have to listen to these people and the kids do not which escalates these situations. Then they grow up to be adults with no respect for authority. If the officer(s) acted irresponsibily then they will face the punishment.
NOBODY in this forum is qualified to answer this question. One thing is certain however, the suspect won't be stealing from Home Depot, or from you or I any longer. I'm confident the man would not have been shot if he would have given up. His choice the last of his many bad decisions that day.
A public forum will be held on the shooting at the Universalist Unitarian Church on the corner of Lemon Street and Mission Inn Avenue, adjacent to the public library. It will be held on Thursday, Oct. 19 from 7-9 p.m.
Panelists will include Woodie Rucker-Hughes, who heads the local chapter of the NAACP, Andrew Roth, who is a local attorney and James Williams, III from the Department of Justice's Community Relations office in Los Angeles. The forum will address the recent California State Supreme Court's decision on the Copley Press vs Superior Court and its impact on what members of the public will be able to learn about their police officers who are involved in officer-involved deaths. It will also address the timeline utilized by both the CPRC and the police department in terms of investigating officer-involved deaths.
After it erred in information it had provided on the Summer Marie Lane shooting at a briefing in December 2004, the department has decided not to take questions from either commissioners or members of the public. The CPRC dispatched its own investigator Butch Warnberg from the Baker Street Group, two days after the shooting.
The fierce debate on the Cloud shooting continues at the Press Enterprise Web site here with people arguing one position or the other. The poll results currently state the following results:
Excessive force: 1923
Not excessive force: 346
Not sure: 23
This being Riverside, city residents had plenty to say on the matter whether they were civilians or not. It's clear that individuals have probably been voting more than once, in the first two categories, as one individual pointed out in his or her comments.
(Excerpts)
Yes, it was excessive force:
Given the history of the RPD, as residents we all feel that excessive force is being used in many of the RPD Officers. They always have an excuse as to why they shot somebody, Tyesha Miller and now this guy, who allegedly stole equipment, the RPD is trigger happy and need to reformed.
The people who are saying that "Douglas deserved what he got" are ignorant fools. Since when is being shot repeately at close range the proper punishment for trying to steal? Douglas made some really bad choices and did break the law by TRYING to steal, however being shot like a mad dog is totally unacceptable. I have heard that some of the RPD Officers present were saying that the one who pulled the trigger was "an idiot" for doing it and that it should not and did not have to happen. I hope that they will not try to cover up for him. The Officer should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for taking the life of someone who had NO weapon and most likely was so injured from the crash that he couldn't "get out" of the car or comprehend what was really going on. Why didn't the cop use mace, a tazer, a shot in the arm or some other method instead of murder? I hope he is haunted by this for the rest of his life.
From what I understand of the shooting and from past shootings and use of force incidents involving the Riverside Police Department. It is my opinion that the police officer who did discharge his weapon acted prematurely and without provocation. I find it very odd that of the other officers involved no one else fired their service weapons.
No, it wasn't excessive force:
I am just a little sick and tired of the press and the public's attitude that police officers are society's whipping posts. Why aren't you asking the question "Do you think the thief who endangered police officers lives and the lives of the public should have cart blanche to drive through the streets and crash and then expect us to persecute the police??" I'm just glad he crashed before he killed someone and I for one am sorry for the officer who was forced to shoot this man to protect his own life and the life of his fellow officers. The crook should probably should have #1) not committed a crime, #2) not fled the scene #3) crashed and finally #4) not followed directions when the officers told him to keep his hands in sight. He probably would still be alive.
TO THE ONE WHO SAID HE WOULDNT HURT ANYONE WHY WAS HE ARRESTED FOR ASSAULT ON HIS SPOUSE. QUIT PLAYING THIS GUY A S A POOR INNOCENT VICTIM. YES MAY BE HE SHOULDNT OF BEEN SHOT BUT WHAT WOULD YOU GUYS BE SAYING IF THE POLICE NEVER WERE CALLED AND HE HIT SOMEONE IN THE PARKING LOT HE SO ERRATICALLY DROVE OUT OF PUTTING INNOCENT PEOPLE IN DANGER FOR WHAT TOOLS HE COULDNT PAY FOR NOW HE IS PAYING WITH HIS LIFE.
Wow...some of these responses are really proving the general public of Riverside to be extremely ignorant. Such as the guy that said: "I didn't see most of it, but I knew that RPD did something wrong" ppshhh okay---hold on. You didn't see most of it, but you knew that RPD did something wrong? Slap yourself. Or the rest of these people: "Douglas Cloud only wanted to make sure that everyone was okay when he crashed" How the hell do you know? Did you go up to his car and ask him what he was feeling? No. He almost killed people with his car on the way out if the parking lot---yeah, REAL concerned about the safety of others. And yeah, maybe RPD could have gone about the situation a different way however the vehicle itself is a weapon. I do recall Douglas trying to keep pushing down his gas even after he crashed. Who is to say that he was not attempting to leave again, this time potentially harming an officer or innocent bystanders? This trick stole from the home depot, fought off employees and customers and attempted to get away. Not even two months ago he was charged with spousal abuse. This was not as if some guy had crashed his car out of nowhere...he was evading police and although his family is in my prayers I will not stand for the destruction of Riverside by supporting criminal activity and behavior. But the rest of you people who are sitting here defending him, I guess it's okay to rob others, to steal things upon which the hard working man would pay for, to abuse your spouse, to almost hit innocent bystanders with vehicles, etc.,. So since you all have such strong feelings for these types of characters, just make sure you're still taking the side of the criminal if you ever find yourself caught in the middle of a robbery or the next time you're at home depot, if someone is flying through the parking lot evading police, just smile and wave, because remember, you support it. Thanks.
Then there are those who chide those who have expressed opinions either way, calling them "idiots" before jumping on a bandwagon themselves.
Anypne who weighs in on this with a yes or no is an idiot. None of you were there! Not one of you witnesed what the officers did! I'm sick and tried of kneee jerk responses, "They should get a few shots to their toros". This just shows the idiocy of the public. The problem we have is lack of public support for the Police and parents not teaching their children to respect people in postions of authority. This is the police, teachers, and parents. They spout that they do not have to listen to these people and the kids do not which escalates these situations. Then they grow up to be adults with no respect for authority. If the officer(s) acted irresponsibily then they will face the punishment.
NOBODY in this forum is qualified to answer this question. One thing is certain however, the suspect won't be stealing from Home Depot, or from you or I any longer. I'm confident the man would not have been shot if he would have given up. His choice the last of his many bad decisions that day.
A public forum will be held on the shooting at the Universalist Unitarian Church on the corner of Lemon Street and Mission Inn Avenue, adjacent to the public library. It will be held on Thursday, Oct. 19 from 7-9 p.m.
Panelists will include Woodie Rucker-Hughes, who heads the local chapter of the NAACP, Andrew Roth, who is a local attorney and James Williams, III from the Department of Justice's Community Relations office in Los Angeles. The forum will address the recent California State Supreme Court's decision on the Copley Press vs Superior Court and its impact on what members of the public will be able to learn about their police officers who are involved in officer-involved deaths. It will also address the timeline utilized by both the CPRC and the police department in terms of investigating officer-involved deaths.
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