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Monday, June 19, 2006

Drops in the Bucket

As the mercury hit over 100 degrees several weeks ago, there were no rain drops in sight. There were however, drops in the bucket.

On May 31, Presiding Judge Richard Fields dismissed murder charges against two defendants standing trial for the 2002 fatal shooting of Black teenager, Anthony Sweat and ordered them to be released from custody. Riverside County District Attorney's Office prosecutor, John Molloy asked for the dismissal after he had turned over new discovery to the men's defense attorneys.

This discovery allegedly pertained to DNA tests that were taken on evidence obtained from clothing discarded with a gun near the crime scene. According to their attorneys, the two defendants tested negative and Molloy presented this exculpatory evidence to the defense attorneys, before asking that the charges be dismissed. Molloy said that the charges may be refiled against the defendants later on or that the investigation may be headed in a different direction altogether.
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The city met recently in closed session to receive legal advice from the City Attorney's office on its appeal of the reinstatement of former Det. Al Kennedy.

Kennedy was fired by Chief Russ Leach in 2001 after an internal investigation revealed that he had sexual relations with an alleged rape victim from a case under his investigation. Initially, a divisional captain recommended that he be served with a written reprimand for his misconduct. Former Deputy Chief Audrey Wilson then recommended that he receive a brief suspension, according to court documents.

Former Lt. Jay Theuer in a scathing memo, had blamed Kennedy's transgressions on staffing problems in the department's Sexual Assault and Child Abuse Division, according to court records.

Kennedy appealed his suspension in arbitration and it was overturned, although he was not awarded any back pay for the three years that had passed since his termination. That action left all involved parties scratching their heads and heading off to court. The city quickly appealed the arbitrator's finding in Riverside County Superior Court. The Court, as it usually does, upheld the arbitrator's decision, so the city appealed that ruling in the Court of Appeals last year.

The city council also voted in closed session to appeal the reinstatement of former officer Vince Thomas who was fired for allegedly molesting a teenaged girl who lived in his household. In its appeal, the city argued that the arbitrator had applied a standard of guilt used in criminal trials to an administrative proceeding.

The San Bernardino County District Attorney's office declined to continue its prosecution of Thomas after two trials resulted in hung juries.

Because in many cases, the courts back the arbitrator's decision, it is very likely that these cases will ultimately return back to the city council for final disposition, meaning that either the officers will be reinstated to the department or more likely, provided with financial incentives in the form of retirements to go away.
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No ruling has been issued thus far in the city's appeal against the $1.64 million jury verdict awarded to Officer Roger Sutton in his racial discrimination, harassment and retaliation law suit.

Last year, a jury had determined that Sutton had been racially discriminated against when he was removed from the department's canine unit after his dog accidentally bit a former police officer. Jury members apparently accepted the argument that Sutton had received disparate treatment in the form of discipline than White officers in the unit had received when their dogs were involved in accidental bites. A half-dozen White canine officers, past and present, had testified at trial about losing control of their dogs and having them either run off or bite other individuals nearby. In their cases, the department treated them as "training issues" rather than as a disciplinary one.

One example cited by Sutton's attorneys was that involving then-Officer Tim Bacon whose dog was involved in an incident that led to the retirement of another officer and severe injuries to himself. Bacon did not receive any discipline for his incident according to trial testimony, has been promoted twice since and currently serves as a lieutenant.

An (as always) unidentified correspondent here had this to say in response, on an earlier thread about the Sutton case:

"In case you haven't heard Lt. Bacon is the departments biggest buffon and Roger Sutton is still one of the worst officers they have."

The jury also decided that Sutton had faced harassment and retaliation after he had sought an examination and redress of his grievances from the police department. The city quickly appealed the jury's decision by filing a motion for a new trial, which Judge Joan Burgess nipped in the bud last January. The city then filed a motion of appeal at the Court of Appeals where it awaits a decision. Although Sutton's case was filed at about the same time as the reverse race and gender discrimination claims filed by a group of White male sergeants, his case still remains unresolved over three years after the other case was settled by the city.

Before the case went to trial, an arbitrator had awarded Sutton $200,000, but the city quickly decided to appeal that. In retrospect, that award might have been a bargain in comparison to the money spent on the proceedings from that date forward.
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The police department held a job fair at Bordwell Park in the Eastside this Saturday, June 17. Candidates interested in applying as officers, cadets, crossing guards or dispatchers were encouraged to attend. Hopefully, the fair will have proven to be a success especially if it is indeed true, as at least one unidentified correspondent stated, that there is an exodus of younger officers fleeing from the police department. However, representatives from the police department said that 150 candidates had shown up to take the written exam, with about 20% being women. Since all the department's sworn positions had been filled, those who are qualified to be hired will most likely be placed on an eligibility list.

77 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

blah blah blah blah blah blah burp@#%&!

Monday, June 19, 2006 4:21:00 PM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear Anonymous,

Thank you for your comments. You have definitely hit above your personal benchmark of intelligence and knowledge of these issues today.

After you take some Rolaids, perhaps you can display your ahem, expertise on the issues?

Good Day,

Monday, June 19, 2006 6:19:00 PM  
Anonymous William Hartman said...

Mary,
I admire you and the work that you do for the Riverside community. You are quite courageous; it is not easy to go up against such hateful people. The work you do is very important, and I am so sorry that some people feel the need to denigrate it. I am very impressed that you maintain the maturity you do when dealing with the sexism and racism displayed by the commenters.

When the bastards get you down, remember that your efforts will be an important change for our community, promoting an egalitarian force and justice within the city. You can be quite proud of yourself. Thank you for all that you do.

-William Hartman (who is really hoping the police reading this do not retaliate against him after reading this!)

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mary has no influence in her own life let alone a whole city Willie Boy. Now be a good boy and suck Mary's toes.

Wednesday, June 21, 2006 5:25:00 AM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear Mr. Hartman,

Thank you for your comments.

You're right in that it is not easy to go against people with so much bitterness and hate in their hearts, much of which is probably directed at themselves. That appears to be the case here. You can not really be happy with yourself and behave as they have done so here. The two don't mesh.

Look at what kind of response your words provoked from an (as always) unidentified person. That response shows an incredible lack of maturity, judgment and impulse control. One can only hope that this person is not employed as a police officer, a profession where maturity, good judgment and impulse control are not only necessary but are among the qualities selected for when hiring employees. They are clearly lacking in this individual.

As far as retaliation, unfortunately, it apparently goes with the territory as I have found. You just have to learn to live with it. It's mostly reactionary behavior by a relatively small number of people who are upset with what you are trying to accomplish and who believe they are entitled to do as they please.

Take Care,

Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:57:00 AM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear Anonymous:

Thank you for your comments.

If you were the one having gastrointestinal issues earlier, then it appears they have been resolved. Too bad you have not resolved your issues of anger and bitterness that you feel towards your own self. Emotions you and others have chosen to use to lash out at me in order to chill my expression in various venues.

Why are you so fixated on whether or not I'm having any affect in this city? Why should it matter to you either way? What is your vested interest in things staying the way they are with the police department rather than moving forward?

Perhaps some people of your ilk enjoy your comments here but I gather most people would find them disgusting, juvenile and stupid. Saying nasty things to people who come here and disagree with you just reeks of desperation and insecurity on your part. It indicates that some progress is being made after all and the thought of that scares you very much.

If I didn't have to be afraid, I would almost pity you.

Good Day,

Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

UCLA Admissions Crisis...

Of course this is OUTRAGEOUS AND UNACCEPTABLE! I demand that all admission standards by lowered by 75%. Admission standards are held artificially high with the intention of discriminating against minority members

Wednesday, June 21, 2006 9:35:00 AM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear Anonymous:

Thank you for your comments. I see you read the Los Angeles Times Op/Ed page yesterday.

There really is very little for you to worry about, because the RPD is still at least 70% White and over 90% male in terms of its sworn officers. Someone wrote a comment a while back where he stated that I would not rest until Black officers took over the police department. I was not sure how to tell him that it was not likely that this would ever happen, given that less than 10% of the department's officers are Black. He appeared at the time to be quite upset about the possibility that this could actually happen in the near future.

Some people see increases made in hiring and attracting men of color and women to be police officers as a positive sign of a department that better reflects the communities it serves. Others just see their established turf shrinking and feel apprehension instead.

As far as lowering academic standards for admission to UCLA, this has been done numerous times for the mostly White children of either alums and/or financial contributors to the university who are admitted despite unimpressive credentials. This type of affirmative action, of course does not attract nearly as much attention from critics like yourself.

Have a nice day,

Thursday, June 22, 2006 7:55:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“It suggests America is under siege by immigrants, that whites are second-class citizens, and that blacks and Hispanics are racists banding together to gain superior rights over whites. It also states that whites are too cowardly to stand up for their rights.” Is this something that most posters on this site would disagree with? I think the man should be prosecuted for telling unpleasant truths.

Friday, June 23, 2006 2:25:00 AM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear Anonymous:

Thank you for your comments. I assume you are quoting from the Op/Ed piece in question?

You ask a very interesting question which arises from an assumption you have made that other people here would be in total agreement with your assertion that the quotation you have provided is true.

Would most of the posters agree with this assertion? It appears that some of them clearly are in agreement with you already. I imagine the individual who posted about police officers laughing at a Black woman because she has watermelon seeds stuck in her teeth would agree with your assertion. Perhaps, the individual who did black face here would also agree with your assertion. Perhaps that would also include the individuals who stereotype African-Americans and Latinos as crack cocaine addicts and gangsters respectively. Perhaps that is what "Kevin, R.P.D." meant when he said the Eastside should be turned over to "animal control". Maybe that's also why the "blue wall" around Roger Sutton, a Black male officer who complained about racism in the department, doesn't appear to be nearly as strong and opaque as that which surrounds White male officers, based on what was posted on this site by unidentified individuals last year.

It is often belief systems like the one that has been expressed which are the driving force behind the above behavior. Not that all behaviors are as bad as the ones above or that there aren't behaviors that are worse.

Is this because as the number of members of other racial groups increase in this country, Whites become more fearful that they will be treated as a racial minority in the same fashion as they as a race have treated people of color for hundreds of years? There is this assumption that they are or well be treated in that fashion. Does this arise from some awareness for what they have done to others based on race?

As for "unpleasant truths" are they indeed the truth, or the truth as how you and perhaps other individuals here see it? Well, we've paid about $20 million and counting out of city funds so far fixing a police department in large part because of this same belief system which you believe is the truth.

Have a nice day,

Friday, June 23, 2006 8:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A state of emergency can be declared in any American city with a predominantly African population. Detroit, Baltimore, Washington DC, Wilmington, Delaware……the list goes on and on. I have never been in a city (or neighborhood) with a majority African population that didn’t look like a war zone.
I suppose it’s due to white racism in some way. The only other explanation is politically incorrect

Saturday, June 24, 2006 11:51:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eureka! Rascism is alive and well in Riverside!!!

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"We have illegal immigrants seeking a better way of life in our country while legal citizens are struggling to gain rights promised years ago.

We have tougher sentencing laws to keep people incarcerated while investing less to help people succeed in life. We are releasing people from prison in record numbers but providing no assistance to bridge the transition back into our society. We fight to give illegal residents the right to vote while denying legal citizens out of prison a full explanation of their rights to vote. We give illegal immigrants access to free food programs while denying ex-prisoners access to food programs. We give illegal immigrants jobs while denying ex-prisoners employment opportunities."

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I am appalled by this thinly veiled attack on our Hispanic brothers and sisters!

Saturday, June 24, 2006 12:08:00 PM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear Anonymous:

Thank you for your comments. I guess you or whoever namelessly posted that earlier comment have since discovered that others here had agreed with your assertion on race. As I had stated, that question had already been asked and answered through prior actions.

However, what you have just done is defend that behavior here by stating that the racial group that has been the target of that and any adverse treatment deserves to have been treated in that way. Whether it is through the use of black face, racist stereotyping, remarks and humor, it is not the responsibility of those who choose to act in this fashion, but those they denigrate.

Is that how officers in law enforcement in general and in the RPD in particular defend their actions and spoken words when they have engaged in that behavior?

It is also interesting that you bring up the term, "war zones" and Black communities, neighborhoods and towns. Let's look back in history a bit, why don't we.

How many predominantly Black neighborhoods in the South for example were turned into "war zones" by Whites attacking, bombing them or destroying them through domestic terrorist groups like the Ku Klux Klan? How many Black towns were turned into "war zones" or rubble by White lynch mobs? That and the phrase, separate does not mean equal in terms to access to facilities whether they be in education, transportation, housing or commerce are still manifested today.

Obviously, you have a few more places to include in your itinerary to visit so I'll leave you at that. Your first stop should be what's left of Rosewood, because chronology is very important when looking at modern day events.

Until then, happy travels,

Saturday, June 24, 2006 1:47:00 PM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Hi, Innocent Bystander:

Interesting comments. I had thought you had left after you insulted my mother, but I see you have not. It would be nice that if you were going to use the terms "racist" or "racism", you would at least spell them correctly. During your prior visits, you had failed to do so as well.

You erred in your spelling here,

"Mary, there is no rascist, evil, boogieman, police officer on the RPD who doesn't also exist in the boat next to you at the Colorado River"(May 8. 2006)

and here,

Yes police officers have rascist, discriminatory, homophobic, sexist thoughts.(May 9, 2006)

Were you the one who believed that the RPD's mandate to activate audio and video recorders was a great cause of stress? I hope not. I really just hope you are a civilian who doesn't have any police powers unless they exist inside your own head.

Now, I'll address your comments.

Eureka! Rascism is alive and well in Riverside!!!

Why am I not surprised how happy this makes you?

We have tougher sentencing laws to keep people incarcerated while investing less to help people succeed in life. We are releasing people from prison in record numbers but providing no assistance to bridge the transition back into our society....

What did you think of this portion of the editorial written by Hardy Brown that you cited? You seemed so willing to latch on to the statements about "illegal immigrants", but in comparison, had little to say about the above which is the larger picture, even though you included it in your comments.

I am appalled by this thinly veiled attack on our Hispanic brothers and sisters!

First of all, why do you automatically assume that all "illegal immigrants" are Hispanic? Over 1/3 of them in this country are not. Never mind your apparent assumption that all or most Hispanics are "illegal immigrants" or even immigrants or even all originally from the same country.

That aside, I find your concern about your "Hispanic brothers and sisters" to be very moving, if somewhat surprising, However, didn't you also agree with this statement below, calling it an "unpleasant truth"? I apologize if I have you confused with another person but you are all traveling under the same name.

It suggests America is under siege by immigrants, that whites are second-class citizens, and that blacks and Hispanics are racists banding together to gain superior rights over whites. (June 23)

It's just odd to see you so concerned about the welfare of an ethnic group when just several days ago you felt threatened by that same ethnic group to the point that you apparently agreed with an assertion made that they were racists along with "blacks" who apparently aren't included in your ahem, "family" at all. Very interesting, if somewhat self-serving to disparage a group as being racist one minute then pretend to feel sympathy for it the next. I wonder if you are also nice to them in their presence and just disparage them behind their backs when you think they are not around?

But look on the bright side, at least you quoted a person who knew how to spell "racist". LOL.

Have a good day,

Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:32:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

An idea for the Border Patrol that might still work:

During the Mexican/American war, an intense long standoff occurred along the front. For days and days neither side made any advances. Finally, an American general had a bright idea.

He aimed his rifle to the Mexican trenches and yelled “Hey Juan!”

A soldier jumped up and replied “What?”

The general shot him dead. This continued for three days.

A Mexican general decided that two could play this game and decided to try it out. He called out “Hey John!!”

An American replied “John isn’t here……is that you Juan?”

The Mexican general stood up, “Yeah!”…

Sunday, June 25, 2006 11:48:00 AM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear Anonymous:

Well, I guess it's just like I stated earlier. You'd be better off trying to bail out a leaky boat with a paper bag than to teach a bunch of old dogs some new tricks.

Although God might say, it'd be easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than to teach them new tricks. The message is essentially the same.

Lesson learned. Money apparently doesn't do the trick.

Good Day,

Sunday, June 25, 2006 2:31:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WAAA WAAA WAAA WAAA! Immigrants are taking away jobs from our black brothers and sisters WAAA WAAA!

Black man does'nt have the balls to take back what whity took from him, which was his balls!

Stop blaming immigrants for your sad lives. Put the watermelon down and go get a job!

Sunday, June 25, 2006 3:46:00 PM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear Anonymous:

Obviously, the following questions also apply to you, as well as others here. So if you could all spare a minute or so from your current round of racist one-upmanship to answer them, I would really appreciate it.

Why on earth would any "good and decent" officer support or want people to use racist, homophobic and misogynist comments to defend him or her anywhere? What does that exactly say about the type of person you have appointed yourself to defend if you resort to such behavior?


More racist stereotypes. They seem to abound here. I wonder why that is.

Why are these stereotypes so important to you? Do you use them because you believe them to be true, or are you just acting out in an immature manner to receive attention and approval from your peer group because that is what is expected of you? Does being racist increase your chances of acceptance by this group?

If you were the individual who made the statement earlier about spending time in "our shoes", was this what you had in mind? Why would anybody want to spend time in your shoes when you behave like this?

Oh, and you should really work on putting your apostrophes in the proper places.

Good Day,

Monday, June 26, 2006 8:09:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

uh... this is a blog. this is entertainment. why should anyone care about spelling and punctuation?

you expect us to take the time to write in Microsoft Word and then copy and paste it here???

your opinion of yourself (and this blog) is too high.

Monday, June 26, 2006 6:34:00 PM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear Anonymous:

Thank you for your rather illuminating comments.

uh... this is a blog. this is entertainment. why should anyone care about spelling and punctuation?

So I gather then, that the use of racist jokes, racist comments, black face humor, sexual comments, misogynist comments and homophobic comments here is what constitutes entertainment for the individuals who frequent this site. I am not sure I would say that this revelation is really all that surprising at this point, but it is certainly very disappointing, especially if you are law enforcement officers. The profession deserves much better than that and you if that is the case.

you expect us to take the time to write in Microsoft Word and then copy and paste it here???

I don't expect anything from you at least not based on your grammar and syntax. I certainly would not set the bar very high for you based on what I've seen here.

your opinion of yourself (and this blog) is too high.

No. Your perception about my ability to influence people is too high, as evidenced by the harassment through nasty comments that you spew towards any individual who has complimented me on this site.

Have a nice day,

Monday, June 26, 2006 7:09:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dear Mr. William Hartman (AKA Willie Boy); It's obvious by your support of Mary Shelton that you are not only a concerned citizen but a transgendered male. Willie boy, I think you need to go back to spending your time in Asian massage parlors and pursuing your life long dream of taking a shower with Montel Williams (oh, that's Mary's dream too). I don't think you want to play anymore Willie.



Destiny's Child

Monday, June 26, 2006 8:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Mary, since you know so much about "war zones" and the history of unprovoked bombings in the south during the middle part of the 20th century, can you please explain to your readers from not only a historical perspective but from a sociological one as well, the integration of watermelon, fried chicken, and malt liquor into the diets of one of our nation's most influential ethnic groups?

Thanks in advance for your willingness to explore this subject, Mary. I must say that I have not felt this much anxiety and excitement since Geraldo opened Al Capon's vaults. Hey Sandalou, I figured this was a topic you'd be interested in.

Salam Salakem my Brothers and Sisters

Starsky

Monday, June 26, 2006 9:16:00 PM  
Blogger Sandalou said...

Geraldo opened the vault of a castrated chicken? Why would he do such a thing and what kind of idiot would actually watch it?

Oh yeah, the pathetic nonny's that hang out here. D'uh.

Tuesday, June 27, 2006 5:22:00 AM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear "Destiny's Child" and "Starsky":

Thank you for your joint comments. I see you have taken it upon yourself to help prove several of the points I made to "Anonymous" earlier.

I see that you both(or one) have returned. Were you afraid that you were going to be outdone in the racist stereotyping competition that is apparently taking place here? I do not believe there is much danger of that. Why do you act out in such a fashion? To get attention? To thumb your nose at your employers? Perhaps, it is because you just can't contain your racist thoughts and have to vent them before you explode.

Hey Mary, since you know so much about "war zones" and the history of unprovoked bombings in the south during the middle part of the 20th century, can you please explain to your readers from not only a historical perspective but from a sociological one as well, the integration of watermelon, fried chicken, and malt liquor into the diets of one of our nation's most influential ethnic groups?


I would think that you are of the opinion that this was your area of expertise(second, only to your apparent knowlege of the trangressions of Black and female officers in the RPD), and of all the racist stereotypes out there, this is the one you appear to embrace the most. It would seem that you are in a much better position to provide enlightenment from a historical and sociological perspective so please do so. I'm all ears. Ditto on "war zones". Were you by chance in the military?

Dear Mr. William Hartman (AKA Willie Boy); It's obvious by your support of Mary Shelton that you are not only a concerned citizen but a transgendered male. Willie boy, I think you need to go back to spending your time in Asian massage parlors and pursuing your life long dream of taking a shower with Montel Williams (oh, that's Mary's dream too). I don't think you want to play anymore Willie.

How insecure you must feel to become unhinged at someone who wrote something positive and feel a need to not only insult them through tapping into your vast collection of stereotypes, but to intimidate them as well, by writing that last statement. What a piece of work you must be in real life. I just hope that you aren't my city's piece of work.

Salam Salakem my Brothers and Sisters

You used this expression once before. Very interesting.

Good Day,

Tuesday, June 27, 2006 8:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mary spends every waking moment organizing all of the posts into categories so that she can TRY to figure out who is writing what…

For what purpose? So that she can “tell on” posters in an attempt to squash 1st amendment rights?


“Were you by chance in the military?” she writes…

Another attempt to “narrow the field” of potential “suspects” so that employers can determine the identity of people posting on this site? Or maybe she can blame the military for producing people who “think like that.”

Thank God for the Second Amendment. There are many of us who have, and would, kill to preserve this, the most important Amendment to the Constitution.

When the time comes, good liberals, be prepared.

There is a list. And it will be checked twice.

Tuesday, June 27, 2006 1:59:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Mary, am I not allowed to salute my fellow brothas and sistas with a little Salam Salakem. And that last sentence was not meant at intimidating but merely an observation that based on what he wrote to you in support of your anti-police and liberal propaganda, he would probably end up getting his feelings hurt with the truth if he continued to post.

Starsky

Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:10:00 PM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear "Anonymous":

Thank you for your comments. It must have taken you quite some time to do your analysis. No, I do not spend every waking moment categorizing everything that is written here. I probably spend more time and energy hoping that you are not employed in law enforcement and are not employed by the RPD. The thought that any of you actually could be, is probably enough to afflict quite a few people with sleepless nights.

Mary spends every waking moment organizing all of the posts into categories so that she can TRY to figure out who is writing what…

Wow, really? Categories? What would I call them? Anonymous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5...nth, that might work. Oh, maybe I could rank all the fictitious police officer names by television genre, by fictitious agency, or even place them in chronological order by decade in terms of when the television shows originally aired. Of course, "Serpico" would be left out because he was a real person, although probably the antithesis of the person who borrowed his name here. There could also be a catch-all category for miscellaneous monikers like "Alabama Black Snake", "Asti Spamanti", "Joe Citizen" and "Innocent Bystander" to fit in. I'm not sure whether you belong in the "Anonymous" category or the one you were previously in before yesterday, which was its own category. We shall see.

For what purpose? So that she can “tell on” posters in an attempt to squash 1st amendment rights?

Tell who? The only people who apparently reported this site to their employers were employees of the Riverside Police Department, according to Chief Leach. Apparently they did so because they did not like the comments that were posted here. It must have been difficult to be turned in by members of their peer group, if any RPD employees were involved. In fact, it must have stung fiercely. You are supposed to be protected by your own, not betrayed by them. If anyone put a crimp in your First Amendment right, it was them if they are indeed your co-workers.

Another attempt to “narrow the field” of potential “suspects” so that employers can determine the identity of people posting on this site? Or maybe she can blame the military for producing people who “think like that.”

Some times a question is just a question. I was curious about "Starsky"'s reference to "war zones". But maybe I should have asked you that question, given your response to it. You obviously come from a military background and you seem to be concerned that if it were known whether "Starsky" shared that background, it would lead to his identification. Why is that? How could it be used in any way to identify you? Even within the RPD, there are lots of officers employed with military backgrounds and you aren't necessarily from the RPD. Well, I mean "you" in general. I'm not so sure about you, in particular.

Hmm, about these alleged "employers". How do you know these "employers" would even care that you were here whomever they may be? If I recall correctly, one of you stated in a comment that your "bosses and their bosses' bosses" thought that the comments on this site(run by "that crazy lady") were hilarious and good for a laugh. Does this sound like employers who would really try to "squash" anyone's First Amendment right for posting such obviously hilarious comments? If I also recall correctly, the individual who posted that comment did not seem at all concerned about what their "bosses and their bosses' bosses" thought and continued to post anyway, which means that his or her First Amendment rights were not "squashed" in the least.

What do you mean about the military producing "people who think like that", could you elaborate? Has anyone accused you personally of thinking "like that"?

Thank God for the Second Amendment. There are many of us who have, and would, kill to preserve this, the most important Amendment to the Constitution.

When the time comes, good liberals, be prepared.

There is a list. And it will be checked twice.


O-kay, now I really hope you are not working in a job where you carry a gun. The only question left to ask is, when this "time" comes and you get to indulge your fantasy of terminating your list of liberals in a violent fashion simply because they disagree with you, will it be done with city-owned property, or your personal property?

Rather than thanking God(who had nothing to do with the creation of the Second Amendment), you seem to believe you are God. You wouldn't be the first person to think that way simply for having a firearm in your possession if history is any indication.

Have a nice day,

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 7:26:00 AM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear "Starsky"/"Destiny's Child":

Thank you for your comments. You did not take up my offer to elaborate on your historical and sociological analysis of one of your favorite racial stereotypes. You seemed so knowledgeable in this area, but I suppose if you are not willing to share what you know with the world, that is your decision.

So, by your mention of "liberal propaganda" does this mean you are signing up for the previous poster currently known as "Anonymous"'s liberal-be-gone-for-good militia?

Good Day,

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 7:47:00 AM  
Blogger lance said...

Anonymous said:"Thank God for the Second Amendment. There are many of us who have, and would, kill to preserve this, the most important Amendment to the Constitution. When the time comes, good liberals, be prepared. "

What a nutbar! His keyboard's probably covered in drool...

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:48:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The truly determined are not detoured by simple logistical issues like drool on a keyboard. Keyboards are quite inexpensive and easily replaced.

Given my vast appetite for midget pornography and pornography with a violent bend, drool is not the real challenge anyway. Its that “other” bodily fluid that poses the real problem for my keyboard… that and the fact that I seldom wash my hands…

For my idea of loving male-female relationships, see the four free videos at www.meatholes.com .

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:37:00 AM  
Anonymous lance said...

Well, Officer Anon, I find your post to be particularly sad, emanating, as it has, from a police officer....

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 12:55:00 PM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear "Lance":

I agree that he or she does sound like someone in need of some serious psychological counseling.

I'm sure his or her crowd probably enjoyed it whomever they might be but I'm sure they are in the minority. Most people would probably find what he or she wrote repulsive.

Advocating violence because people disagree with your philosophy doesn't seem to be a quality one would hope to see in a law enforcement officer. Since he or she apparently suffers from this problem, one would hope that he or she would have been screened out during the hiring process if he or she applied for a job in law enforcement.

As to Anonymous #2, I have found that some individuals here resort to nasty comments like this one when they don't really have anything else to say or they want to divert your attention from another area.

Have a nice day,

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 5:26:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think "Lance" is old Willie Boy. Is that you Willie Boy?

Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mary, like all liberals, use free speech and end up putting their foot in their mouths. Mary, by the way, how is your sex change going? Growing any balls yet? Got that penis that you crave so much so that you can use it on Sandalou? Gonna change your image from Dirty Mary to Dirty Harry? Listening to Tom Leykis yet?

Thursday, June 29, 2006 2:13:00 AM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear "Starsky":

Thank you for your comments. What no nickname this time? It's interesting that there is this preoccupation with gender identity and sex changes, from individuals who may have been posting under the name "Cagney and Lacey" last year. Oh, and more recently, "Destiny's Child" was used too. Isn't than an all women band? So maybe you should deal with the issue of your own gender identity before attacking anyone else's. First perhaps, you could address your ongoing issue involving your apparent belief that Black fictitious characters on television shows are real people. Maybe there is some trained behavioral expert out there who will be willing to help you tackle both problems, for the price of one.

So now, you have moved on from using racist stereotypes to those involving transgenders. I guess everyone who is not a straight White man should be subjected to their identities to scrutiny in the world according to "Starsky" or whatever he's calling himself on a given day.

Good Day,

Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:30:00 AM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear Anonymous:

Your comments are typically crude and say very little of what you intended. I guess you've tired of picking on African-Americans, lesbians and other women and have moved on to transgenders. The only type of person you have not attacked is the straight White man because in your world, he apparently is the standard and everyone else is an "other" to be denigrated, stereotyped and mistreated. Hopefully, this "world" of yours exists only inside your head and that no one in the real world is subjected to your bitterness, hatred and bigotry, which probably stem from your intense feelings of masculine inadequacy. You have probably spent your whole life blaming and punishing people especially women for your own shortcomings. Your comments here speak to this reality.

Good Day,

Thursday, June 29, 2006 7:38:00 AM  
Anonymous lance said...

Just for the record, by the way, my name isn't Willy. It's Lance. And I'm (a) a straight white male; (b) a former (retired) member of a major police service. I believe in the rule of law, not its abuse. I believe in individual freedoms within the rule of law. I believe in the right of the public to scrutinize and question the actions of the police who, after all, are sworn to serve and protect the people who appoint them. I think the word "serve" is important here. A few members, it seems, prefer the word "dominate", and believe that anyone who isn't a police officer is worthless. It's my belief that when a police officer thinks everyone out there is a potential creep, it's time for him to turn in his badge and start living in the real world again. Police who live in the isolationist world are extremely foolish - without the support of the majority of the community, they will be ineffective. To win the support of the community, however, they must prove themselves to be a caring part of that community, and not an aloof bunch of swaggering macho types who would be better off grasping each other on the football field.

Thursday, June 29, 2006 8:47:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lance claims to be "straight." I doubt it.

Lance claims to a retired member of the park police. I doubt it.

Lance doesnt like football. At least he admits that he is a pussy.

Thursday, June 29, 2006 10:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lancene is Mary's whipping boy. I can see Lancene all tied up in little girls pink underwear, begging Mary to whip her tush until it is red and screaming begging Mary to tell Lancene that she's a good lttle girl, ahem, RIGHT LANCENE! AM I RIGHT YOU BAD LITTLE GIRL?

Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:33:00 PM  
Anonymous lance said...

Whatever turns you on, honeybuns

Thursday, June 29, 2006 1:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

lance, tell us about your best felony arrest... okay then, tell us about your best misdemeanor arrest.... okay then, tell us about your best parking ticket while you were with the park police.

Thursday, June 29, 2006 1:52:00 PM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear Anonymous:

Your comments add further evidence to my supposition that you are confused about what constitutes a real man. I am not surprised as it does appear you still have some serious growing up to do, the kind that can only be addressed through the intervention of a trained behavioral specialist. This assistance will be greatly facilitated if your employer(assuming you have one) provides mental health services in its medical health coverage plan. I hope you do have a good plan and take full advantage of it.

Why don't you share your best felony arrest, or your best misdemeanor arrest, or your best traffic ticket, or more likely, your best fantasy of having given a traffic ticket? I'm really curious to hear where your credentials come from(and this does not include a cereal box) because you ask of others what you can not and have not produced yourself. I think the only credential you have shown here is your propensity for nasty racist and misogynist comments. That has not put you in good stead to make demands on other people to put out their credentials from law enforcement. As we know, when you are asked questions you can not answer, you resort to making crude, juvenile sexual comments and jokes to get attention off of your inadequacies, when in reality this behavior just highlights them. That is of course, when you take temporary leave of your racist bent.

You know, if you really are a cop, given your mouth(or rather your unfortunate, if disposable, keyboards and some personal information really should not be shared), there's really only one assignment for which you would be suited. An assignment few men were made for, but you were born for.

Good Day,

Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:17:00 PM  
Blogger Sandalou said...

Y'all are just pathetic. Not a one of you Nonnys, TV cops or cartoons can actually come up with any kind of a reasoned, logical intelligent argument to support your prejudices so like overly hormonal, pimple faced, adolescent, teenage losers everything sinks to the level of a middle school gross out game.

Nobody cares about your sick little fantasies. Frankly, I doubt that any of you can even get it up after the uniform comes off. That's why you're always waving those guns around, they're your penis substitutes. You're not men, you're overgrown trolls.

Hey Lance. Nice to see you. Try not to step in the messes made by the animals.

Friday, June 30, 2006 2:34:00 AM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear Sandalou:

I guess no one is going to be sharing his or her credentials, even while they demand that of others. I don't think they are here to provide intelligent, reasoned arguments like most mature people do if they even have the qualifications they demand in others to do so. They are just here, whomever they are, to harass and chill my free expression while at the same time howling that I am trying to "squash" their First Amendment rights. No one has done that to them.

Posting graphic sexual fantasies with myself and others included in them is just another tool they use to do that. It's as misogynist to force a woman into that unwanted role, as it is to assign a man who posts here feminine qualities and then use those in an attempt to degrade and humiliate him, to make him less of a man because they see women as less than men.

I don't know who they are, and what they do for a living(if it's anything at all) but I do know that on some level, they despise, fear, hate and resent women, especially those that don't know their "proper" place. They probably feel tremendously inadequate as men around these women.

Last month, a woman came to city council to talk about an experience she had with the RPD in late May. Her friend, an attractive woman, was arrested and left curled up in the street with her pants hanging down at her knees, exposing her underwear. Then the police led her off like that in handcuffs with her underwear showing in front of a crowd including other police officers while she begged them to let her pull up her pants. Her boyfriend later said that an officer had talked to him about his "hot" girlfriend and then allegedly made an inappropriate sexual comment about something he wished to do with that woman later that night. Only the same audio recorders that individuals here have derided can tell for sure what that officer said, if anything and that is only if it was on at the time. Photographs taken did show the woman with her pants down, just as described, as well as quite a few officers standing around and watching. What were they thinking at the time?

The woman who spoke alleged that when she said what they did was not right, she was arrested for "public intoxication" even though they did not give her the breathalyzer test she asked for, telling her instead not to worry because that charge would likely be dropped, which it was in exchange for a "resisting arrest" charge.

This is yet another reason why it is disturbing to read the comments that have been written here the last few months and wonder if they are indeed made by police officers.

Have a nice day,

Friday, June 30, 2006 7:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sandalou:

re: penis substitutes.

guns (like lifted trucks, fast boats, airplanes, and german cars) are not penis substitutes. They are extremely effective TOOLS that men use to entice women into spreading their legs. What is your problem with waving a gun around if chicks dig it ??? Heck, simply using a pair of handcuffs to make that wonderful “ratcheting sound” is often enough to leave a wet puddle on the ground directly below a short skirt.

Use your tools, friend. I am confident that there are dozens of female subjects on the “U” who will respond to your offer of malt liquor and greasy, deep fried fast food. On second thought, why not get yourself a “good payin’ Clintonesque job” so that you can improve your “tools?”???)

Increase the number and quality of your “tools” and even you, the common urban savage, will increase your “slugging percentage.”

Capitalism. The Puritan Work Ethic. God Bless America.

Friday, June 30, 2006 11:49:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As a southerner, I am getting so fed up with these stereotypes that the media(along with many Northern whites) has of southerners that wouldn’t even exist if it weren’t for black people. If we didn’t have blacks living among us I wonder how “backwards” the South would really be compared to the rest of the nation.

Friday, June 30, 2006 11:57:00 AM  
Blogger lance said...

You're just like some little half wit teen who gets his kicks out of spraypainting "fuk yu" on a wall. (And with about the same level of sophistication and education). So what else are you going to spray on the "walls" of this blog? More porn sites? More racist statements? More misogynistic comments? What a silly little boy you are.

Friday, June 30, 2006 1:56:00 PM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear Anonymous #1:

Are you talking about your "best" arrests or is this just another sexual fantasy that is really best kept to yourself? It's not clear in your comments which you are writing about. How inadequate you must feel as a man if you think you have to wave a gun around a woman to get her attention, and it's unfortunate that you believe that any attention is based on anything but fear.

Let's see. Prostitutes. Transgenders in Asian massage parlors. Dominatrix fantasies. Some individuals here appear fixated on these things. Is that a personal thing or an occupational hazard?

That said, hopefully, the only gun you are allowed to handle is a water gun.

Good Day,

Friday, June 30, 2006 6:35:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Lancene,

If you can pry Sandalou away from her watermelon and Mary from masterbating looking at PLAYBOY mags, you all would have time for a threesome.

Three little pussies!

Friday, June 30, 2006 6:36:00 PM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear Anonymous #2:

Are you from the southern part of the country or the southern part of this state? The only one giving southerners a bad name is you, through your racist comments. Racism against African-Americans being one of the most "backward" things there is in our society in the minds of most progressive people.

Good Day,

Friday, June 30, 2006 6:36:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mary, I do not leave anonymous messages. I do not appreciate you pinning a message to me that I did not write. If this continues, I will be forced to sue you for slander.

Hey, Lance, I bet you were the cop who wore his uniform to work because you were embarrassed to change in the locker room with your fellow officers. Are you being taken back to a time that you were hoping to forget Lance?

And I shouldn't even be calling you a cop, Lance. Afterall, working security in the old Riverside Plaza probably would'nt qualify you for that title you gun-slinger you.

I do appreciate your thoughts on justice and integrity but it's hard to take you serious when, you, being the kind of guy you are, spends his days dreaming about Willie Boy laying next to you in a bubble bath in Thailand and firing up that 2-inch killer of yours.

Oh, Mary; When is the next city hall meeting? I've missed you lately. Hope all is well!

"You know who"

Friday, June 30, 2006 10:00:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mary,
who are you to speak of the most progressive minds when all of them in this city think of you as a nut case.

Sambolou, would you like more watermelon wit those shittlins ?

Willie Boy, glad to see that you've "come out" of the "closet"! Your afformentioned lezz buddies seem pleased with your female qualities.

Saturday, July 01, 2006 9:14:00 AM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear "You know who":

Mary, I do not leave anonymous messages. I do not appreciate you pinning a message to me that I did not write. If this continues, I will be forced to sue you for slander.

You're joking, right? You hide behind the names of fictitious characters. That is your choice. However, do not blame me if I can not tell one immature, racist, misogynist, homophobic creep from the next. As for the slander, remember the advice I gave to "Serpico" a while back. Oh wait, that was you, wasn't it? Maybe I should give the real one a call and ask him how he feels about you having impersonated him here.

Hey, Lance, I bet you were the cop who wore his uniform to work because you were embarrassed to change in the locker room with your fellow officers. Are you being taken back to a time that you were hoping to forget Lance?

Maybe these officers don't like sharing locker rooms with their fellow officers who make racist, sexist, sexual, homophobic and misogynist comments. Maybe they just don't like the way you smell. Maybe it's bad enough just to work with you if you are indeed an officer. Maybe they point you out to new people and say that's what you don't want to become, the department clown.

I do appreciate your thoughts on justice and integrity but it's hard to take you serious when, you, being the kind of guy you are, spends his days dreaming about Willie Boy laying next to you in a bubble bath in Thailand and firing up that 2-inch killer of yours.

Your fixation with Asian massage clubs and Thai bubble baths make me wonder if you spent your time in these places yourself, not that a bubble bath is going to fix what is wrong with you inside your heart.

As for justice and integrity, please do not use big words you do not understand. Stick to what you know, which is racist, sexist and homophobic stereotypes as well as an assortment of sexual behaviors, but keep these thoughts in your own head so that the members of the public do not have to be subjected to your expertise.

Oh, and please keep your inadequacies to yourself in the future or seek professional help to fix them rather than project them on other people.

And I shouldn't even be calling you a cop, Lance. Afterall, working security in the old Riverside Plaza probably would'nt qualify you for that title you gun-slinger you.

How do I know that you are even a security guard? After all, it's not like you were able to answer the question regarding your "best" felony arrest, misdemeanor arrest, traffic ticket or fantasy of issuing a traffic ticket either. Maybe you hide behind the nasty comments to hide what you don't know.


Oh, Mary; When is the next city hall meeting? I've missed you lately. Hope all is well!.

Didn't you say you watched the meetings or is that only certain meetings? No you don't hope all is well, but I can see that things aren't well with you because you are here. You must be really, really insecure and unhappy right now. What a pity.

Good Day,

Saturday, July 01, 2006 10:50:00 AM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear Anonymous:

Oh, I think you misspelled one of your favorite words in your first posting, but then your spelling needs the most help of anyone's here. You still have not answered your own question. What is your "best" felony arrest, misdemeanor arrest, traffic ticket or even you best fantasy of issuing a traffic ticket? If none of these questions falls within your area of expertise, why don't you just state what was your "best" arrest based on a televised cop show.

who are you to speak of the most progressive minds when all of them in this city think of you as a nut case.

I think of these things as relative and if a group of people who hang around someone like you who is in dire need of professional help believes that I am a "nut case" then I should probably take that as a compliment. I don't think you know that many progressive people, because when they see someone like you coming, they usually walk the other way or leave the room or maybe they just laugh at you. Just look at yourself, then look what you have been writing for the past several months. Racist, sexist, homophobic, misogynist nasty filth and this filth comes from inside someone who carries this attitude around them every where they go, every single day. You are like a boil that festers and spews pus to relieve itself now and then. How sad that must be and how unpleasant for those forced to watch. I don't imagine you are around company all that much.

Good Day,

Saturday, July 01, 2006 11:15:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mary said,

"You are like a boil that festers and spews pus"

Flashback Mary? reminds you of your birth, when you had to fight through that mess when you exited your mother's filthy uterus.

P.S. i support anything that ecourages YOUNG women to take off their clothes. This excludes you, Mary. Old wrinkled, cast-offs like you, please keep your clothing on.

P.S II For the benefit of men everywhere, we pray that your county employed gynocologist has already sewed it shut.

Saturday, July 01, 2006 2:13:00 PM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear "Innocent Bystander":

You don't sound like you are having a very good day. What a pity. It's rather lovely outside, yet you seem to be in such a sour mood today.

Earlier, I wrote the following statement,

"You are like a boil that festers and spews pus"

To which you responded with this:

Flashback Mary? reminds you of your birth, when you had to fight through that mess when you exited your mother's filthy uterus.

P.S. i support anything that ecourages YOUNG women to take off their clothes. This excludes you, Mary. Old wrinkled, cast-offs like you, please keep your clothing on.

P.S II For the benefit of men everywhere, we pray that your county employed gynocologist has already sewed it shut.


You sound like a very bitter, sour, nasty person. I doubt very many people, let alone women, want to spend time near you at all, even if they do not know about this activity of yours. Most of us do not spend our days thinking such hateful, nasty thoughts let alone spew them while hiding behind the veil of anonymity on a Web site. For a while, I thought you were the least nastiest of the bunch, but now you and this new old person are giving the others a run for the money. It's so very sad and pathetic that this is some kind of "contest" you all seem interested in winning on such a beautiful day like this one.

There are a lot of great men in this world who treat women well and do not denigrate them to make themselves feel more like men and having to interact with the likes of your ilk just makes me more thankful that they are the norm and you and your friends are the exceptions.

It's too bad that you do not associate with these men who could have served as good role models for you and shown you through their example how to behave. However, that was your choice and you have decided to be bitter and nasty. It is not the fault of those you abuse online.

Why are you so nasty this time around anyway? Last year, you weren't.

Oh, and you misspelled a couple words including "gynecologist". You might want to work on that.

In conclusion, thank you very much for proving my point for me. It saves me the work of having to do it myself.

Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:20:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The point that's been made is that Mary is a nut case.

Anony: watermelon.

Sambolou: watameln.

Anony: watermelon.

Sambolou: watameln.

Anony: watermelon.

Sambolou: watameln.

Anony: let's try this again tommorrow Sambo.

Sambolou: now can i have some watameln ?

Saturday, July 01, 2006 3:53:00 PM  
Blogger Sandalou said...

Not a live brain cell in the cranium of a single one of you sorry bastards.

If you're that fixated on watermelon skip one slimy porn mag and use the money to buy one for criminy's sake. Eat it, sleep with it, carve a hole in it and pretend like you have a life, but for Christ's sake, get over it.

Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:10:00 AM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear Anonymous:

I guess you did not like the comment I made about "Innocent Bystander" and others giving you a run for your money in terms of spewing racist, misogynist and generally nasty comments here and have thus responded. Narcissism rears its ugly head again. Surprise, surprise.

Either that or you are trying to *prove* I'm a nut case by showcasing how racist your behavior is, which seems like self-defeating behavior at best. You are clearly basing your argument that I am a nut case on the fact that I have called you out numerous times on your racism, homophobia and misogyny here. I am a bit puzzled at your strategy but once again, it proves my point.

As for being a "wrinkled cast-off", I believe I will take that comment(made by your buddy, "Innocent Bystander") as a compliment. The last thing I want is to be considered attractive by the likes of one of you. I've seen how your ilk treats women that you are attracted to and it's not pretty. It's called sexual harassment whether you wear a badge or not.

You are racist, sexist, homophobic and despite what you might think, not very many women are attracted to men like that no matter how good looking they might appear on the surface. It is what is inside that ultimately counts and that is one area where you are clearly lacking. If you need proof of that, just go back and read everything you've written since you first came here.

Besides, any woman over the age of 25, is probably too old for you anyway, in terms of being light years ahead of you in the emotional maturity area.

You still haven't answered my question. What was your "best" felony arrest, misdemeanor arrest, traffic ticket issued or fantasy of traffic ticket issued? As always, I am hoping you are unable to answer this question.

Good Day,

Sunday, July 02, 2006 11:01:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mary,

I am basing the fact that you are a nut case on opinions that I have heard in this city from regular citizens to public officials. They say you are a nut, crazy, idiot, lame, paranoid, scank, filthy, nasty, dirty, smelly, ugly, pathetic, wannabe, unattractive, boring, unsociable, wanting, whiny, misfit, attentionwhore, outcast, undesirable, psycho, schiz loner, tramp and that you have no life of your own, shall I go on ?

Public officials whisper that you are a nutcase; with the mics off.

I am sure that you have heard these comments and many more nasty remarks, directed at you from people on a daily basis, but I am sure you take those comments as a compliment because it is you that is narcisstic.

Ann Coulter would rip the likes of you and your "ilk" to shreds.

Thank God for Ann Coulter; witty, smart, and attractive!

Sunday, July 02, 2006 11:54:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A spy tells me that "The Black Voice" pays Mary "By the job." And the pay is... lets just say that she has to ride the bus because the pay wouldnt put enough gas in a car to get her to and from the job. email saves you quite a bit of money, doesnt it Mary?

Even though Mary is capable of working, Mary doesnt have a job. Mary is yet another eastside parasite, living off of the system, contributing nothing and sucking the taxpayer dry, dollar by dollar.

we'll see if one of my one of my spies can obtain accurate information regarding the exact measure to which Mary receives "public assistance."

maybe we will get lucky and find out the exact numbers from her prior three year tax returns. spies can access three years prior without a supervisor's permission. ;)

Then Mary can go on yet another witch hunt so that she can attempt to find out which public welfare agency is compromising her personal information.

such an egregious abridgement of personal liberty, dont you think?

Sunday, July 02, 2006 12:29:00 PM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear Anonymous:

You are joking, aren't you? At the very least, I can see that I have upset you. On a holiday weekend too.

I would think Ann Coulter has her own problems to address right now to worry about without running to your rescue and ripping me to shreds. What's ironic is how some conservatives are treating yesterday's darling just like they usually treat liberals. They are telling her that if she does not like this country, she should leave it. Most smart people including conservatives saw her for the loose cannon she was years ago. It's not the ideologies which are wrong(as both have their strengths and weaknesses) as much as how people espouse them and her decision to insult the widows of 9-11 was in very poor taste. Your dream woman, is the ultimate narcissist.

I consider the source of every comment I hear, good or bad, and make an evaluation based on both the comment and its source. If these insults are being said, then the people who are saying them are not what I would call good, emotionally mature individuals especially if they associate, let alone gossip, with the likes of you. If you meant to shock and insult me, you have not. You are right. I have heard of many insults directed in my direction, just not from the two groups you have mentioned.

I have spoken with several elected officials who have informed me that if any of you are determined to be city employees working in any division, your employment will be terminated. Both of them apologized for you and your buddies, because the lot of you are too cowardly to do so for yourself. Also, they are not the individuals you are probably thinking of right now. Their identities surprised me too.

I am basing the fact that you are a nut case on opinions that I have heard in this city from regular citizens to public officials. They say you are a nut, crazy, idiot, lame, paranoid, scank, filthy, nasty, dirty, smelly, ugly, pathetic, wannabe, unattractive, boring, unsociable, wanting, whiny, misfit, attentionwhore, outcast, undesirable, psycho, schiz loner, tramp and that you have no life of your own, shall I go on ?

I dare say you are the one who has called me most of these nasty names. If any of these "public officials" or "regular citizens" are of your ilk and agree(or even know) with what you and your buddies have written here, then I don't care what they call me unless it is threatening or makes me feel unsafe. In fact, I would take it as a sign that I am indeed making a difference and doing something right here. Of course the biggest proof of that fact, is your continued presence here not to mention your vitriol. As difficult and as frightening as the past few months have been to endure, I do have an understanding that this abusive treatment has occurred because people do not like what you are doing and they want you to stop it.

Still, I believe that this will be a good entry to read at the city council meeting. I will just have to check with the city attorney to ensure that I do not violate any FCC obscenity provisions since the meeting is broadcast on cable television. "Starsky" has already asked when the next meeting will be so I'll find out and get back to you here. If there is no meeting this week, I'll just forward this comment to the public officials in written form. It's only fair to let them know what insults to which they have been assigned to as authors.

I am sure that you have heard these comments and many more nasty remarks, directed at you from people on a daily basis, but I am sure you take those comments as a compliment because it is you that is narcisstic.

Oh, I've been called much worse than any of these slurs, from what I have heard. I've been badmouthed from the Shell Station on Third, the 7-11 on Magnolia and Jurupa, to Southwestern School of Law in Los Angeles. I have refuted rumors involving everything from being responsible for all the crime in Riverside, to being a product of child abuse, all rumors started by RPD officers during the past five years. They do it because they fear and abhor change, and they can not attack their management so they attack me. I have been extremely patient with them because I believe that improving the police department's patterns and practices is more important than allowing a relatively small number of malcontents to run rampant in it and undo the very expensive, laborious work that many individuals have put into it since 2001.

Interestingly enough, none of these individuals were either "public officials" or "regular citizens". I guess they were "other", well I like other city residents do pay their salaries through sales tax dollars.

Of course, the vast majority of RPD officers do not conduct themselves in this matter because they believe in the changes the department has undergone during the past five years.


Oh, just so you know for future reference, there is no such word as "narcisstic".

Good Day,

Sunday, July 02, 2006 1:13:00 PM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear "Innocent Bystander":

Thank you for the information. It doesn't seem like a very smart thing to do, but since intelligence isn't exactly your fortitude, but predictability is, I do believe you will do this.

Sorry, I am not going to succumb to yet another threat or other tactic meant to intimidate me. If I did, you would just do this to the next person on your list to harass and intimidate into silence and I will not be a part of that. I told the city of Riverside and the Riverside Police Department that I will not set the standard for encouraging the continuation of these tactics against those who criticize their practices.

No witchhunts, but the appropriate parties have been notified about this particular posting. Whether they care or do not care, is not what is important. They have been given notice. That is all that is required from me.

Speaking of the Black Voice News, our office's locks were damaged several weeks ago by an unknown party(s). Your "spies" wouldn't happen to know anything about that, now would they?

such an egregious abridgement of personal liberty, dont you think?

No. There's another name for it, a legal term, but it's relatively new, given that the technology it involves is relatively new. You obviously haven't heard of it. In time, I think you will know it pretty well. Actually, I believe you will know it very well.

Mary is yet another eastside parasite, living off of the system, contributing nothing and sucking the taxpayer dry, dollar by dollar.

Here we go again, let's deride the Eastside again. Haven't you and your ilk insulted and stereotyped the residents there enough? I hope the Eastside residents are at least spared having you work in their neighborhood. They deserve much better than that. Fortunately, there are police officers who are much better than that.

Btw, I'm beginning to understand why you really believe those digital audio recorders and video recorders are stressful to you.

Have a nice day,

Sunday, July 02, 2006 1:52:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mary,

you have absolutely no impact upon me or anyone else. You do not speak for any RPD officers. You'd be surprised to know just who speaks of you. You are looked upon as a clown that amuse our mundane meetings. Submit as you wish, but do keep us informed of your weekly reports. Oh what would we do without "granny panty girl". :)

Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:34:00 PM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear Anonymous:

Thank you for your comments. I can see by your response that you understand what I have just stated to you.

Your information and that provided by your buddy, "(not so)Innocent Bystander" has been most helpful.

You do not speak for any RPD officers.

I never claimed to be speaking for any RPD officers. If any have designated the likes of you to be their spokesperson, then this agency has not come as far along as has been hoped in the past seven years. However, I do not believe the majority of officers even know who you are, let alone would allow you to speak for them.

One does not have to *speak* for them to understand that this true. Consequently, it is most likely that you are operating under the delusion that you are their designated spokesperson, using whatever tactic you deem necessary to "protect" your charges, even if it is unsolicited and unwanted.

Still to make sure of that, I will be contacting Chief Leach, Lt. Darryl Hurt(of the department's management association) and Ken Tutwiler(president of the RPOA) and asking them which if any of their officers have designated a racist, misogynist, homophobe like yourself to be their designated spokesman. I think we both know what the answer will be to that question.

You'd be surprised to know just who speaks of you.

Perhaps that is true. Most likely not. Stalkers like yourself are most likely to target individuals they know, but sometimes they do target strangers as well. They are most likely to be male, their victims female. The two main motives for stalking are being rejected on a personal level and stalking out of revenge or for retaliatory reasons. I think it's clear what your motive is, and that of your friends here. I do believe I will learn who you are some day and I expect you will look just as pathetic as you write.

When I speak with the expert on cyberstalking today, I will have more information and perhaps a better understanding of your past and present behavior here.

You are looked upon as a clown that amuse our mundane meetings..

You are impersonating elected officials or city staff? I find that very interesting. If you are, you are not doing a very good job of it. Have you even seen a city council meeting, or attended one?

Submit as you wish, but do keep us informed of your weekly reports.

I think that's the problem. I won't submit to your intimidation, harassment and threats, so you are escalating our behavior because frankly, it's your panties that are tied in a knot right now.

Oh what would we do without "granny panty girl". :)

Oh, you'd just stalk someone else. After all, what else have you got to do to bring credence to your pitiful existence? I guess I can at least be thankful you don't have x-ray vision.

Btw, the next time you and your buddies drop by the news rack to pick up some newspapers, try to leave a few for everyone else, especially if you are not paying for them.

Good Day,

Monday, July 03, 2006 8:28:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a laugh.
Paranoid as usual. Thinking that you are the center of the universe and needing to be the center of attention.

No one is "stalking" you. No one has threatened, harrassed or intimidated you. You are the one who stalks officers.

In your mind you believe that criticism of yourself to be more than that. I simply post for amusement.

Opinions and Perceptions of Reality. You can dish them out, but you can't take them.

HYPOCRITE!

Monday, July 03, 2006 10:29:00 AM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear Anonymous:

What a laugh.

I'm sure you and your buddies find your behavior very funny. I'm sure you do it for amusement as well as for other reasons you don't want to talk about.

Paranoid as usual. Thinking that you are the center of the universe and needing to be the center of attention.

Oh there you go again with your reversals. You harass and intimidate a woman online, then you blame her for your own despicable behavior.

No woman wants to be the center of your type of "attention" but then I believe that's part of your problem. I say part of, because there's an underlying reason why you are still here and it's definitely not, "I post for my amusement." Your friends are not here for their amusement either. Like you, they are here for a specific reason and that began this spring. We'll just have to find out what happened during this time period to answer a few questions.

No one is "stalking" you. No one has threatened, harrassed or intimidated you. You are the one who stalks officers.

There is something in this sentence that needs closer examination but this is not the time to do it.

Your attempt to draw attention off of your own antisocial behavior is again duly noted.

Let's examine the rest of your most recent comments.

you have absolutely no impact upon me or anyone else.

Yeah, I can see that. That is why your buddy just behaved as he or she behaved. That is why you have been writing nasty and harassing comments meant to intimidate me into silence. Either that, or it's retaliation.

Your buddy, "Innocent Bystander" was apparently dropping hints like bread crumbs during his or her "faux civility" period and I disregarded them. I think it's time to go back and give them a second look.

You'd be surprised to know just who speaks of you.

This statement and that post including a laundry list of names I have been called by "public officials" and "regular citizens" shows that at one point, you were asking people about me for some reason. However, I don't think it was actually members of either of these groups that you asked. I think it's more likely members of the group that you have excluded from your statement, which you did for a specific reason yet to be determined.

In your mind you believe that criticism of yourself to be more than that. I simply post for amusement.

Let's talk about you a bit.

You really think that what you and your buddies have done just constitutes "criticism"? I think it's retaliation, pure and simple. If you are the same crowd that showed up last autumn, you are much more hostile and resentful than you were back then. The only thing that happened in the meantime was an internal investigation by the RPD. An investigation that it, not I, did on its own volition, after members of that agency complained about the comments posted on this site.

You appear to be the one with the biggest ax to grind here and your ax seems to have developed fairly recently. It's clear that you act like a hard core racist to boot and are proud of it. It seems logical that the RPD would have screened out someone with as many behavioral problems as you have exhibited, but I'm sure some individuals do still slip between the cracks in the hiring practice. If you are employed by that agency, you were obviously one of these individuals. If not, then the communities can breathe a sigh of relief that you are not there to interface with them in that capacity.

You have not given much indication either way. There are two possible reasons for this.

Submit as you wish, but do keep us informed of your weekly reports.

I thought you watched these meetings regularly but upon further research, I realized that the individuals here appear only to watch the city council meetings that Chief Leach attends.

Recruitment incentives, check.

Chief's contract, check.

Chief's presentation of the annual budget, check.

Interesting, indeed. Very interesting.

HYPOCRITE!

I see you are still adding to your laundry list of things to call me, of which I think I can recognize some of your "sources". As I have stated, they are probably neither "public officials"(several of who have already strongly objected that posting which referred to them and forwarded their concerns to Chief Leach) nor "regular citizens."

Good Day,


6/05

Wednesday, July 05, 2006 6:37:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is the definition of a woman ?

Something you lie on while you f#%&.

Thursday, July 06, 2006 1:58:00 AM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear Anonymous:

You don't like women. I'm shocked. I never would have guessed that. Are you and your buddies members of some "He-man Women Haters Club"? I see, you probably get rejected by women on a daily basis and so you strike back at them in this fashion.

Placing the obvious aside for a while, I think that it's also fairly obvious that you post comments like this to get attention off of the fact that you haven't answered any questions. You hope people will be so shocked and offended by what you write that they won't notice that you have dodged the issue yet again.

Did you also write this?

What is your problem with waving a gun around if chicks dig it ???

I'm asking because not only does it seem right up your alley, but you have something very interesting going with the question marks.

And what this, f#%&, about? You've written derogatory, nasty, racist and misogynist things here without hesitation. Yet, with profanity, you and I believe it was "Asti Spamanti" spell out your words. Interestingly enough, considering the nasty comments posted here, there's a lack of profanity. I believe there were several profane words used last autumn, but not many of them.

But those are simply side issues, to the main one. That issue being that you are clearly very upset about something. If you were one of the individuals who posted last autumn, I do not remember this degree of vitriol being expressed back then, but it is definitely here now. What has changed since then?

Like I have stated, I hope that you are not in law enforcement. You will not say either way, which either means that you aren't, which would be a blessing indeed, or you've learned not to.

Good Day,

Thursday, July 06, 2006 8:34:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Typical comments coming from a radical man-hating feminist.

On the contrary.
Women are the object of desire as to all straight men. Without women and the pursuit to have sex with them, what have we got to look forward to.

If a man tells you anything else, their lying.

Good Day.

Thursday, July 06, 2006 1:24:00 PM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear Anonymous:

I see you are continuing with your diversionary tactics. When confronted with inquiries about why you are here, you simply reach for whatever racist or misogynist rhetoric you have lying around and fling it about.

Typical comments coming from a radical man-hating feminist.

Typical dodge used by a racist misogynist, as you've proven to be, who obviously lashes out at women because he hates and fears them.

On the contrary.
Women are the object of desire as to all straight men.


Women aren't "objects". We are people, just like men.

If a man tells you anything else, their lying.

So most men are liars then? Except you, of course.

Now, that I've plowed through your usual shtick, perhaps we can get back to the issue at hand. I asked you a question. Why is it that you and your buddies have spewed so much vitriol my way the past several months? I'm not sure you or all of them were here last autumn, but if you were, you certainly weren't this bitter, unhappy and nasty. So why now? What changed in that time?

You can respond by spewing more nasty vitriol and I assume you will. That in itself, answers the question.

You repeat the following statement over and over again here.

You do not speak for any RPD officers.

And you do? Through your racist and misogynist comments? What a depressing thought that would be if it were indeed true.

Good Day,

Friday, July 07, 2006 6:56:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Women are objects of desire.

Most men do lie to get a woman into bed, and those that don't ( Lance ) are gay.

Friday, July 07, 2006 10:30:00 AM  
Blogger Sandalou said...

Most men are decent human beings who are embarassed by even being considered the same species as you sorry lot. Why does it not surprise me that you have to lie to get laid.

And you're not stalking Mary? I can hear the testimony now...Well yes your honor, we did park outside her home and pace her down the street in our squad cars, but we were, uh, making sure she wasn't being followed. Yeah! That's it. Just doing our jobs protecting oene of the citizens of Riverside. Sexual comments? Well...it was all a joke, just a joke your Honor. How were we to know that people might be offended by the disgusting and deviant remarks we were making? Some people just got no sense of humor. That's it! She just didn't get the joke. The many insults and degrading remarks we made about the people we work for? Jokes your Honor! It was all just in fun.

Judgements coming, not quickly enough but it's coming. Hopefully it will involve prison terms.

Sunday, July 09, 2006 5:13:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sambolou,

suck me again and I'll give you some more watermelon dear.

Sunday, July 09, 2006 4:22:00 PM  
Blogger Five Before Midnight said...

Dear Anonymous:

I'm addressing the one who uses lower-case letters in his or her comments here.

Let's see, more sexual comments and watermelon jokes. Maybe you're just some horribly misguided individual who got lost on the way to a porn site and found this place instead. You could just as easily spam a cooking blog with gratuitous sexual comments and racist comments as you could come here and do like. Yes, you are offensive and would be and probably are to most people around you, in the way that a man who engages in street harassment is offensive or someone who uses racist slurs is offensive. There's no difference between what street harassers do and what you're doing here and it's all about getting attention from women that you can not get any other way.

I wonder if you are even out of high school because you certainly don't act like it. Most men who engage in this sexist behavior when they are younger outgrow it and move on to become mature productive adults. If you are an adult, then your development has obviously been stunted in some way. Seek professional help.

That said, it's clearly obvious that you have little to say on the issues which is another reason why you retreat behind offensive comments. Your ignorance is showing.

Good Day,

Monday, July 10, 2006 7:58:00 AM  
Anonymous William Hartman said...

Wow. I tell Mary how impressed I am with her, and a firestorm of racist, sexist, and homophobic comments is unleashed!

Isn't it fascinating that these moronic harassers reacted to the praise of Lance and I by questioning our sexual orientations? Would it matter one iota if I was a homosexual? (Well, maybe to my
wife...)Would that make my comments any less valid? Why would being gay make my praise invalid?

Mary, I am now truly in awe of you. You show tremendous courage standing up to these bullies. That's what these commenters are of course, ridiculous bullies. You are a real hero in my book.

But please, protect your self. These cowards writing here could be very dangerous. I hope that you find a way to expose them for the cowards and bullies that they are, and I hope you stay safe.

You inspire me.

-William Hartman

Monday, July 10, 2006 11:49:00 AM  
Blogger Sandalou said...

Actually, he's worse than offensive, he's boring.

Thursday, July 13, 2006 2:35:00 AM  

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