Misogyny in the RPD
Dear Mary,
I have seen you on your daily strolls around the east side, about five times or so the last couple of weeks. Each time I see you, you are wearing the same purple sweatshirt and blue jeans. Then I think to myself, I wonder if she wears the same pair of skid marked granny panties everyday..... Then following that thought, I throw up a little bit in my mouth.
Instead of spending so much time trying to find negative things about cops, why don't you try taking a shower and changing your clothes at least once a day!
B. Fife
Poor Mary.
I suggest a shower, shave and change of underwear.
It is obvious to me and many others that Mary what you need is a good " BANG "! (-:
Attitudes like those expressed by "B. Fife" here are one of the problems women have had to tackle in to survive as police officers in departments rife with a culture that in most cases, does not want them there. They have invaded turf which had been considered the sole domain of men and have entered into a club where they are not welcome. If men like "B. Fife" are what they have to deal with in the RPD, then it is no wonder their retention rate is so poor. The problem may not be so much that they do not know what they are in for(as has been suggested) but that they know exactly what they are in for.
Attitudes like those expressed by "B. Fife" here present obstacles to women who want to report crimes against them to police officers. When I asked women if they felt like reporting crimes like rape or domestic violence to someone like "B. Fife", all of them answered no, quite adamantly. Historically, women have been reluctant to report violent crimes like rape to police officers because of past and present sexist attitudes about women and rape voiced by law enforcement officers. Police agencies have worked hard to stem that tide and turn it in a more positive direction. Men like "B. Fife" do nothing but hinder those efforts, with their misogyny.
After all, who wants to report a crime of violence to someone who is a misogynist, even if most of the time that attitude is shut away in a closet? It is still in the room with him and the woman.
Finally, the thought of any woman having to turn to someone like "B. Fife" to report a violent crime that happened to her, because she was a woman is enough to make me want to throw up.
posted by Five Before Midnight | 8:14 AM
23 Comments:
Thank you for posting this. It so needs to be brought out into the light. Whether these goons are really cops or just wannabes, their behavior reflects really badly on police culture in Riverside. The decent cops should really be angry that the reputation of their department is being so sullied.
As I said in the other thread, I'm sure their mothers tried to raise them to be decent respectable human beings, to treat women with respect, and that it's wrong to harm the weak and vulnerable just because you can. What mother doesn't try to teach her sons these things? And yet their instinctive response to critical examination from a woman is to denegrate her as a sexual being and issue not-so-subtle threats to her safety. Well as Merle Haggard said, Mama tried to raise them better. The song also says, that leaves only them to blame. Well assuming they aren't just wannabes, it also leaves RPD management to blame for keeping them on the payroll.
Well Well Well, Let me take a ganter at this. "Native Daughter" is quoting Merle Haggard!HAHAHAHA!I love it!Mary quotes Mahatma Ghandi and Native Daughter quotes Merle Haggard...This is too much. Hey Mary, I think "Native Daughter" is a racist because she's quoting a red neck country singer who wears big buckles and cowboy boots. I acutally like old Merle. If I recall, was it not Starsky who quoted the likes of Frederick "Rerun" Stubbs and you called him a racist-or implied it in your response. Why cant Native Daughter quote a great female or minority leader. Oh, I've got one--"What you talking about Native Daughter!"---Arnold Jackson
Dearest Mary, I apologize for not writing back sooner but I just returned from a week long cultural diversity seminar. Anyways, I did not realize how much I have missed-Oh, Sandalou, if you're going to correct other peoples spelling, you have to really know how the word is spelled-it's not fair that you look in a dictionary and then correct the misspelled word, pretending that you knew how it was spelled all along (you know I'm right girlfriend). As for you Mary, I do applaud another attempt by yourself to conduct a behavioral profile over your blogger site. But Mary, just because someone makes fun of your underwear does not mean that they are sexual predators. As for "Natural Habitat"-I mean "Native Daughter" and whoever else questions are ethics and morality, I, and many of my brothers and sisters in blue don't care anymore about what you think. It's very sad but the Department does not practice it so I don't know what to say. They have created an atmosphere where it's every man for himself. No entity practices racism and discrimination more than the highest members of management in the department-fortunately for the public, you don't have to worry because it's not against you-it's against their own officers. But, hey, we make a lot of money. It's no longer about saving lives and protecting the public, it's about promoting to the next level at all costs. Did anyone ever wonder how the Chief could attend a city sponsored function in another county and engage in behavior that resulted in a criminal investiation by another L.E. agency, and yet, no internal investigation was ever done. Though, I'm not suggesting that his actions there were criminal because I was not there, but would it be safe to assume that if that had been another sworn police employee,that at a minimum, an internal investiation for, oh, how bout CUBO would have been initiated. We all remember CUBO. That's what the Chief implied officers could be disciplined for if they engaged in unpopular dialogue on this web site. By the way, I like the Chief even though I really don't know him but that's because he only comes to one or two roll calls a year.
Oh ya, and Mary; In what situations do you think it is warranted for officers to use deadly force?
Lata
Asti Spamanti
Okay, I need to make a correction with regards to the last piece. The Chief's trip to San Diego was not a city sponsored function, but, he was there on the city dime because it was law enforcement related and he was representing the city and department. My point is, when you make comments about officers being poor representatives because of comments made on this site, I can't help but wonder why you did not have a problem with the city or department doing absolutely nothing about that incident. There's a lot of cops out there that want nothing more than to do the right thing and they get nothing but grief from a Dept. that cares more about perception than reality. Normally, I would have let this go away, but it is becoming more painful to watch this Dept. preach one thing and practice another. Gettin pretty sick of the hypocrIsee (did that on purpose Professor Sandalou).
Buenos Noches Senora Mary Y Si Se Puede...
Asti Spamanti
Dear "Asti":
Thank you for your comments. I can see by your post that you aren't feeling the full effects of that cultural diversity training yet. Maybe it's just a more gradual process for you. Let us hope so because it probably was expensive.
But Mary, just because someone makes fun of your underwear does not mean that they are sexual predators.
Who called anyone a "sexual predator"? How you read what I wrote is how you choose to see it. What I wrote had nothing to do with labeling anyone a sexual predator. Maybe there needs to be a cultural sensitivity training program to help you understand how the behavior of certain men like "B. Fife" impacts women around them. Then again, there is not enough hours in the day to do that for the poor man nor those who defend his behavior.
We here in Riverside have always known that officers do not care what we think. After all, officers of your ilk have long made that clear in other ways. That's part and parcel of your culture after all, the one that you indicate is still thriving even after the stipulated judgment and I do agree that this assertion is probably correct. Over $22.6 million and five years of court-mandated reform have passed and the police culture that led to this expensive process apparently remains intact, mostly due to individuals like yourself.
There's a lot of cops out there that want nothing more than to do the right thing and they get nothing but grief from a Dept. that cares more about perception than reality.
Oh I don't doubt that's true, about wanting to do the right thing. However, you are using statements like this(as you have in the past) to defend the behavior of "B. Fife" here, which is truly unfair to the officers who do not engage in making racist, sexual and sexist comments behind the veil of anonymity. In fact, I heard that some officers even wanted to hang those who wrote in this blog, in a public place. Pretty harsh words from one's "supporters", don't you think?
No entity practices racism and discrimination more than the highest members of management in the department-fortunately for the public, you don't have to worry because it's not against you-it's against their own officers.
This reminds me of a quote by Kevin Costner in one of his films:
"We`re through the looking glass here. Black is white. White is black."
My guess is that you are probably longing for the good old days, when White male officers managed the police department. The thought of having a Latino deputy chief and Latino captains and a Black lieutenant must evoke images within your self that are even more hellacious than Dante's Inferno. It must feel to you that they are just taking over, especially after those good old days. The quandary becomes, when you have to refer back to those officers you talk about who "just want to do the right thing". Many of them are Latino. Fewer of them are Black men, Asian-American men and women of all races because the numbers of officers from those groups are so small. Those numbers will likely remain small if individuals like you have your way and that's probably just how you like it.
Maybe you are nostalgic for earlier days than that, when only White male officers could work in police departments. Those days have passed. Times are 'a changing. Maybe your attitudes about the department are indicative of that after all.
Speaking of which, impressive rally yesterday, wasn't it?
Have a nice day,
p.s. Your spelling is greatly improved. One bit of advice, however. When you run spell check, be sure to check afterwards for those pesky homonyms(i.e. "are" being used instead of "our").
Mary it it obvious ( by your psycho-babble-rantings ) about men, that you have a real bad man-hating complex, of which you should be sharing this in private with your psychotherapist rather than your audience. Let me enlighten you about the female sex. Most women are not like you. Most women love men. Most women are sexually attracted to men. Most women and men, by nature, are sexual creatures, and most women are sexually satisfied by men. Based on your babble and rantings, one can only assume that you are a frustrated, asexual
creature with alot of baggage, probably due to the lack of attention that you receive from men.
cheers!
Mary, I don't have a problem with management because of race. Actually, some of those Hispanic Lieutenants and black Captains that you referred to are men I actually like and respect. Unlike you, I don't have issues with people because of their race or their profession. I do think people should be promoted based on their merit, not on the color of their skin or their gender. And I think some of those in managament that are black or Hispanic are more than deserving of those positions. I do question some of the Sgt promotions but you learn to live with it. And by the way, those "cops" who wanted to "hang" the guys who were writing on this site. Those are the cops that go to the Chief and tattle tale on other guys so they can get promoted or get special assignments. They are the guys who should be ashamed of themselves. Anyways, when you think cops should be allowed to use deadly force?
See Ya
Anon, guess you haven't read the latest study: "There's a systematic disparity between men and women, where men are on the average substantially -- or about 10 points -- higher in their levels of satisfaction as women in that country," he said."
Also... when going down your list of "most men this, most women that"... don't forget the big one. The VAST majority of women who are physically assaulted or murdered are done so by men. Nobody doubts that most women love men. Even the men who beat the crap out of them. This is why they stay.
What is at question is whether or not men love women. We know that most men love having sex with women. That's not the same thing. Not by a long shot.
"Anonymous" belched:
"As for "Natural Habitat"-I mean "Native Daughter" and whoever else questions are ethics and morality, I, and many of my brothers and sisters in blue don't care anymore about what you think."
Well obviously, you and your kind don't feel in any way accountable to the community. That's precisely the problem. You've convinced yourselves that you're a law unto yourselves: that not there to enforce the law, but to set yourself above it and ride roughshod over the community. But what about the decent cops? You know, the ones who aren't like you?
But this, from another "anonymous" posting, is actually funny:
"Mary it it obvious ( by your psycho-babble-rantings ) about men, that you have a real bad man-hating complex,"
Inventing a psychobbable term ("man-hating complex") to denounce criticism of woman-hating behavior and its effects as "psychobabble"? Hilarious!
As to the inane ranting from another "anonymous" posting, that quoting Merle Haggard is somehow "racist," what on earth does his race have to do with his lyrics? If you can show me some racist lyrics Haggard ever wrote or sang, it will drastically change my opinion of him. But in the meantime, as Duke Ellington said, "there are two kinds of music. Good music, and the other kind."
But of course, all of this is just a smokescreen, because Mary's writing just hits too close to home. Pretty obvious to me that posting their woman-hating bullshit out in the open has hit them where they live. And who knows? Maybe even management will have to take notice of their idiocy.
Dearest Mary, to the contrary.
Men love women and women love men. This leaves the question? What do we call a freak like Mary? Again, I believe that to be Mary has had such negative contact with men from her past including her father. It is obvious that Mary has issues with men. Seems that Mary is jealous of the fact that women are attracted to men and men are attracted to real women which discludes you Mary. Sorry Mary, you've gotta take that up with the creator. Natural selection.
If men love women and women love men, what do we call the woman-hating freaks who've been threatening and denigrating Mary on this blog?
Certainly not men. Real men aren't that afraid of what women have to say.
First of all, we do not hate women or Mary as you claim we do. Mary is known around town simply as the village ( Riverside ) idiot/freak. After all, most people pursue things in life that they love; whereas Mary spends her pathetic life pursuing the one thing that she hates the most, which is White Men in Law Enforcement (WMLE). Mary has shown us that she has a complex as to (WMLE). No one has threatened Mary. Mary denigrates herself. And as for your last comment, Real women aren't that afraid of what men have to say.
tootles!
Anonymous wrote:
"First of all, we do not hate women or Mary as you claim we do. After all, most people pursue things in life that they love"
You mean the way you freaks pursue Mary for telling truths you want to keep hidden?
You can claim that you "do not hate women", but your behavior here proves that claim to be a lie. Mary is a woman, and you obsessively pursue her for telling truths you don't want told. Instead of addressing the truth of what she actually says, you attack her as a woman, denigrating her as a sexual object and attacking her sexuality. That is an act of woman hate.
Then there's your pathetic nonsense that it's "racist" to criticize the behavior of white men who make their living on the public payroll. Could you possibly be more of a crybaby? If you don't like public scrutiny, you shouldn't be working in the public sector. Like it or not, as a taxpaying citizen of Riverside, Mary is one of your employers. And by holding your behavior up to public scrutiny, she is demonstrating a high level of civic responsibility. You can pretend that's about "hate" if that makes it easier to look yourself in the mirror. But when people compare and contrast your words with hers, it's pretty clear just who here is motivated by hate. You can't hide your guilty hands behind those accusing fingers.
Dear Native Daughter and sandalou:
Thank you for your kind words. I think you read these people better than I do. I do think an intelligent person will be able to figure out who is truly hate-filled in this situation by reading the text. They just won't be from Riverside and they won't be from inside its police department.
As I explained to the city council last night, I am not the problem. These individuals are the problem, whoever they are. They target me because they can't target those who they are really upset with, upper management, Bill Lockyer and other community leaders. Either there is a huge disconnect between management and labor or management is just weak, these individuals know it and so they flaunt their bad behavior in front of it, knowing full well they will never be held accountable for their actions. What they do is similar to a dog wandering into a party and urinating on the guests' legs. The hosts just pat the dog on the head and then walk away. I guess that's the Riverside Police Department's way of dealing with its problems.
It's a shame because there are many fine officers in its ranks, who do not engage in bad behavior like this and hopefully are not aware that those who are, are pimping them in order to get sympathy from their supporters. Just like they pimped the death of a young kid to try to elicit people to help them with their crusade on this blog.
It's all the potential in there that makes dealing with this harassment somewhat worth it. I spent a lot of time hoping that these were not officers here but that hope has faded. The problem is, they seem to want everyone to know it.
One of the city council members was kind enough to email to tell me how sorry he was for what is happening. We've had our differences but he told me I didn't deserve this.
State law forbids me from ever learning the identities of any of these people if they are indeed RPD officers. That might be one law that needs to be changed if it infringes on the safety of the residents of the state of California and its cities. I received a email from someone who contacted one of our state's senators who is very concerned about what's going on with the Riverside Police Department.
I do not expect the department to address the problems inside it involving its problem officers. Healthy LE agencies just don't have officers behaving so boldly in this fashion. They do not hire and retain officers who obviously are at least clearly suffering from psychological problems.
Management has shown that for whatever reason it is incapable of exerting control over its own employees. The rampant posting that has occurred here in the past week is the best evidence of that.
The men who are writing here have said that they have good relationships with people in upper management. What does that tell you about upper management? Why would they want to befriend officers of this ilk if they were truly decent police officers?
One of these posters called me the "village idiot" a term that has been used to denigrate the mentally disabled because of its offensive historic context. How insulting is that, to know that if this person is an RPD officer that not only are they racist, sexist, homophobic but they hate the disabled as well?
Maybe that is why it took years for the police department facilities to be made accessible to the disabled. Maybe that's why White members of the command staff called minority lieutenants, "Jerry's Kids". That comment shows disdain towards both people of color and disabled people.
"Native Daughter" is also a term that could indicate the person is an indigenous woman. So what does one of the posters call her? "Native Habitat", a term associated with animals, not people. I am not sure but I do believe that's the poster who said that he was in cultural diversity training for a week, but then cultural diversity has never "fixed" a cop's racism.
But then throwing money at a problem has never fixed it either.
Take care,
Hey Mary,
This site is a riot! Every time Sandalou, Native daughter, or you leave a comment, I can't help but laugh. Hey, since you three are such comedians, you guys should call yourself "The Three Stooges!"
Adios,
B. Fife M.D.
Oh go ahead and laugh, Barney. Just remember what they say about (s)he who laughs last. ;)
So while we're here, please tell me: if you really hate having your behavior held up to public scrutiny so much, what are you doing on the public payroll? Weren't they hiring at Wal-Mart or McDonalds that year?
Hey native daughter, the reason guys like me and B. Fife work in the public sector is because we enjoy serving the marjority of the citizens because the majority of them appreciate what we do. You, Mary, and Sandalou are the exceptions. As for working at fast food establishments, you say that as though there is something wrong with it. I don't think Sandalou would appreciate that being that she frequents those establishments on a daily basis. However, it's usually KFC and Popeye's. By the way, I'm back.
Oh ya, I can't begin to tell you how much we need more Day without Latino marches because the Latinas that were there were very HOT!!!!!
Starsky
Sandalou, your comment " it's just too much fun jerking that pathetically short chain of yours " reveals the heart of your, Mary's and native daughter's anger and envy toward men; and that is that all three of you nits can only dream of what it's like to have a " chain ". Am I right?
"Starsky" babbled:
"As for working at fast food establishments, you say that as though there is something wrong with it"
Not at all. Indeed, I think it's honorable work, and would be a viable alternative for somebody as ill-suited to public sector work as you obviously are. It would be a real job, where you would have something to do with your life besides drive around in a taxpayer-owned gas guzzler, , harass women, shoot unarmed people, and eat donuts all day.
See? I can stoop to your level too. Isn't this fun?
But the real point is that if you can't stand public scrutiny, you have no business on the public payroll. Period. If you aren't the woman-hating creep who wrote the posts Mary published to the frontpage, why would you want to defend such scum? And if those are your words, and you really are a cop, you really need to find another line of work, both for your sake and the sake of your employers – who happen to include these women you so despise.
"Starsky" wrote:
"As for working at fast food establishments, you say that as though there is something wrong with it"
Not at all. Indeed, I think it's honorable work, and would be a viable alternative for somebody as ill-suited to public sector work - especially police work - as you appear to be. It would give you something to do with your time besides harass women online, and issue not-so-subtle threats that you know who they are and where to find them.
If you really believe that your actions should be held immune from public scrutiny and criticism, you have no business on the public payroll in a democratic republic. Period. If you want to do police work in a place where you'll never be criticized, maybe you should send out resumes to places which don’t have these silly notions about freedom of speech and the press, or the right of citizens to petition the government for redress of grievances. I'm sure you'd be well cared for in such a dictatorship – police usually are. But as sloppy as democracy can be, those of us who believe in freedom tend to prefer it to an orderly police state. So if a police state is what you want, where the public are too intimidated to question your on-the-job behavior, you'd best dust off those resumes and send them out.
I hear Myanmar might be hiring.
Dear goddess, radfem! I do NOT know how you can talk to these guys!
But as always, such good on you for putting yourself out there-- you rock.
I made a post today and would love it if you'd come over and read it. It's on the new blog I created when I got pissed over something on Alas. Argh.
Dearest Mary/ goddess/ radfem! I would love you to cum over to my place tonite and lick my p___y!
love and kisses xoxoxo heart.
Dear Mary;
Let me get this straight.
Five years of consent decree and twenty million dollars equals no quantifiable change in the attitudes/practices of the patrol bureau of the Riverside Police Department?
If this is so, then my question to you, Mary, would be, which has failed? The cause (consent decree/barrel of money) or the effect (mentality of RPD patrol officers)?
I have been led to believe that the average age of the typical RPD patrol officer is 24, and his experience is three years. Further investigation reveals that nearly a third of the 115 police officers in patrol are "lateral officers", that is, they have come to the RPD from other police departments. These numbers, combined with a great number of police retirements, promotions and officers "lateraling" to other departments (7 officers within the last 6 months have left the RPD patrol bureau to go to other police departments) reveal that the RPD patrol bureau has been completey purged of the "element" that existed in the RPD patrol bureau five years ago, at the onset of the consent decree.
If all of this is true, then it would seem that the attitudes/practices which permeate the RPD patrol bureau may be the same attitudes/practices which permeate society at large (newly officers are recruited from the general population) and which permeate other police departments (lateral officers come from other police departments).
The answer, Mary, is exactly this. Your expectations are far too high.
Police officers are people. Regular people. With mortgages, car payments, toddlers who wake up in the middle of the night with a fever and teenagers who get in trouble at school.
Police officers, generally, are not degreed, certificated professionals, although some may be.
Police officers are hourly employees, no different than the UAW worker who screws bumpers on Pontiacs in Flint, Michigan. They care about pay, retirement and medical/dental benefits, just like the union guy back east. No more, no less.
Police work is a meaningless, physically and psychologically draining, 40 hour a week, stress inducing job in which the only redeeming payoff is the CALPERS retirement, should the officer survive the rigor until he reaches the age of 50.
I said all of that to say this.
Mary, there is no rascist, evil, boogieman, police officer on the RPD who doesn't also exist in the boat next to you at the Colorado River, in the isle next to you at the motorcycle parts store, or in the seat behind you at the Angels game. The typical RPD patrol officer is representative of law enforcement at large, and of society at large. The typical RPD officer is a victim of his experiences, just like the rest of us are. To expect anything else is idiocy.
Organizations, such as the RPD, implement policies/procedures to best guide/control employees so that the greatest amount of productivity can be extracted from that employee with the least amount of inefficiency and with the least amount of liability, within reason. There is always a risk/benefit paradigm to adjust for.
As such, the RPD's policies/procedures do not deviate, with significance, from that of any other police department within the 9th circuit court of appeals. The City of Riverside office of the city attorney and/or risk management would not allow it.
Lets face it Mary. Fifty more years of consent decree, nor one hundred million dollars of "reform", will change the RPD, because you will never be able to change the core ingredient. Humans contaminated by the human experience.
Innocent Bystander.
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